Claim money back from online casino Whether it’s because you noticed unauthorized payments on your card, or you have another issue with money used in relation to online gambling, I hope to shed some light on how you can claim money back from online casinos. There are two ways to get backed off of a real money blackjack game. One is where the pit boss tells the player that his action is no longer welcome at the casino. The player must immediately leave the table. The casino may permit the player to continue to give action at other table games but not blackjack.

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Charging back online casino transactions is unethical!

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Charging back online casino transactions is unethical!
I've heard from a few friends of mine that they've racked up large credit card debt due to playing at online casinos and what they did to handle this seemed very unethical to me. They told me that after the racked up this debt on their credit cards they'd call the credit card companies and request that these charges be reversed. They said that they managed to succeed in several cases.
If you for example were to buy something keep the item that you purchased and then call the credit card company and told them that you didn't buy that item it would be considered stealing. I think that the same thing applies here... The idea that you can charge as much as you wanted on your credit card and then reverse it seems wrong and nothing short of theft.
Anyways I told this to my friends and they didn't really acknowledge the idea that it's considered theft...
What do people here thing about this?


Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:03 am
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Charging back or reversing credit card transactions as related to online casinos has become a lot more difficult. Not only is it unethical but it can certainly lead to a lot of issues which I'll outline before. Working in the baking industry myself I know what some of these repercussions are both from the standpoint of the credit card companies, the banks and the casinos.
1.) If you charge back and you have a history of making credit card transactions that are related to gaming it's very unlikely that the bank will actually reverse the transaction.
2.) If you do charge back and are able to do so successfully (again very difficult to do these days) then you'll be listed as a higher risk user to the credit card companies.
3.) Casinos will definitely 100% blacklist you at the casino if you charge back and if you're luck and only if you're lucky you'd still be able to play at the casino but only by using deposit methods that are of '0' risk to the casino in terms of chargebacks.
4.) If you chargeback successfully there's a good chance that you'll be blacklisted on the entire casino software providers network. For example if you charge back at a Microgaming casino since they all share a negative database of users who have issued chargebacks in the past this information could be used to ban you globally across all Microgaming casino brands.
There are several other reasons why you wouldn't want to charge back but these are merely to hightlight a few key points as to why I don't think it's a good idea to do so!


Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:17 am
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Yeah speaking as someone with expereince whatever you do don't charge back it's not worth the headaches and hassles that it brings with it.
The only time a charge back is worth committing is when the charge that has come though on your credit card genuinely isn't yours to begin with.
Seriously don't do it if you can avoid it...


Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:53 am
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Thanks everyone for your replies to my questions it's greatly appreciated...
I've always felt like it wasn't worth it the whole charegback thing nor did I ever intend on issuing a chargeback myself I was merely more curious to know what people though of this situation.
I definitely think it's wrong nor will I ever take such action unless the transactions I find on my credit card are genuinely fraudulent and charges that I never made to being with.


Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:46 pm
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What the heck does a fax back form do for the casino. It's not like they can send that to a US bank. A cc user can't legally authorize a casino to deduct from their account because of the UIGEA, nor can they authorize the casino to mask the charges as merchandise purchases - that is money laundering. So what does this form really provide for the casino?


Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:47 am
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Well my personal view on it is that it's more of a scare tactic. You are correct for transactions that are processed though the casino where they are being processed uncoded (ie. where 7995 is being bypassed) online casinos have no recourse. However the laws pertaining to the UIGEA are fairly ambiguous and because of that there are still several banks in the US that are not blocking 7995 coded online gambling related transactions. For those transactions that are processed legitimately though banks in the United States they do have recourse though the fax back form. I suppose the problem with charging back is that you never really know if the transaction is one that can be deemed legitimate or an uncoded transaction.
Still my views are in line with those discussed herein. I don't think it's ethical to charge back transactions for money you did really spend. Especially when there's a chance it can come back around and bite you in the ass.


Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:29 am
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So a copy of someones id and credit card, really won't help the casino either if the transactions are coded wrong.


Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:54 am
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Yes that's correct however with transactions that are properly coded there is recourse for online casinos that can be taken with banks to issue legitimate claims. Since there's no way to tell for certain whether the transaction is coded or not it's really not worth it. Moreover credit card companies do not look fondly on people that charge back credit card transactions.


Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:27 am
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I agree with what bugatto is saying here in that it's really not worth it. Especially in the long run you're really working against yourself if you make chargebacks on legitimate online casino transactions at online casinos or any other gambling type activities you might involve yourself in online.


Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:50 am
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What about when the charge back is ligit? I am in the process of claiming in excess of £2000 that was deposited to a online casino from my bank account.
I know 100% fact that i never made these transactions and the bank is making feel like a criminal.
I have no history of using online or bricks and mortar casinos except for the odd online poker game that has never cost more than $10 or so.
Does this mean I will get a bad credit rating? I dnt care about being banned from any casino because I dont use them. Your thoughts would be apreciated.
Many thanks


Thu May 27, 2010 11:43 am
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Its simply as this, don't make other transactions in your account that are not important and irrelevance to your concerns, the point of view of this statement its between your action and the result of the transaction in your account whether its your concern or not.


Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:53 pm
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It is actually fraud and highly illegal because you are claiming that someone else has stolen your details and make those transactions without your approval. Its a risky solution which could get you into even bigger problems.
Aaron
www.highstack.co.uk


Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:35 am
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hi i just got in an orrible situation with casinitital, do anybody knows if it is a us legally gambling site. My orrible experienced, the halcool did muck but the gambling addiction desises made it happen. I'v connected from italy my provisory 30days debit visa from BAmerica my account in Florida. Start making a few deposit, but whare strange, without 3dsecure visa pass. By the way y got in the casino net and they started pushing me to dep with promotions and gift, but i whasn't in my totally brain and conceus status. And the pushig activity by casino titan suppoprt, promotions, activityes brought me in a compleat status of illucinazation status. I start playng almost every game, turnament, bonus the feed me in s verey strange way with transactions never get to the end of the legal proces. I'm dualcytizen italian-usa, live in rome italy but have relatives and social security, driverr llicens, US bank accout in florida. .i'm I in the right to ask to dispute by my bank, that did.t stop such illegal end convulsivity deposit, did by me or by6 the sistem don't know how be sure, to ask for a compleat refund of alla the transaction, made illegal by the state where gambling is not allowed, because they used actions of peruising me to play in a very strange and irresponsable way. Can anybody help me, please? Godfrey


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I recently used POSH VIP Casino, Do not use them, or any casino related to them. They are a bunch of scammers. I've used Silver Oak Casino and I believe they are related as well. I've never had a problem with Silver Oak. I'm at this point having to request a reversal because I tried to deposit one day and it gave me a generic error and when chatting I asked what to do. It happened a total of 3 times and I was told the money would not come out of my bank.
The next day I go to use my card and I notice I'm down the exact amount of money that I would have been charged had the deposits gone through and then I go online and confirm that the three times it gave me an error and did not post to my account it charged my card.
then they tell me its a pre authorization and will fall off even though while on one phone with them and one phone with the bank, the bank told me at the same time this is not an authorization is is a full on charge.
I agree its very unethical for a player to charge back something they used but in my case I never got that opportunity. Now I am having to go through my bank to get my money back. Not only has this happened but when I've shown plenty of proof with screenshots from my bank, of course blacking out what is none of their businesses, they say thats not enough.
Do not use Posh VIP Casino, they are scammers and I do genuinely hope that Silver Oak is not related to them.


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Casinos advertise big winners in an attempt to lure players onto the gaming floor. This is a great way to show that players win to potentially skeptical customers. Most of the screenshots of jackpots have one thing in common. They are on slot machines or other unbeatable games. The big hits often come from players making a sucker bet.

Social media accounts belonging to casinos rarely tweet out big table game winners. Those players often do not want any recognition for their win. That is because they do not want casinos to know that they are long term winners. That might increase their chances of getting “backed off” at other establishments. This means a casino will stop accepting action or limit it to keep expert players away. There are many ways players can help prevent this from happening.

What Happens When You Get Backed Off?

Getting backed off can occur in a variety of ways. Blackjack players are the most likely to get backed off. This is due to the fact that a level of skill can beat games with decent rules. Card counters are the most likely type of blackjack players to experience this.

There are two ways to get backed off of a real money blackjack game. One is where the pit boss tells the player that his action is no longer welcome at the casino. The player must immediately leave the table. The casino may permit the player to continue to give action at other table games but not blackjack. The pit boss may ban the player from all table games. The back off can last for the evening, be permanent, or last any amount of time in between.

The other form of back off is where the pit boss sets rules on future action from the player. This typically means that the player must flat bet every hand. Not being permitted to vary bets takes away most of the advantage that a card counter has at blackjack.

What to Do When Getting Backed Off at a Blackjack Table

Do not try to argue with the pit boss if you get backed off from a blackjack table. There is nothing you say that is going to change the decision. If anything, you will make them angrier and it may get you banned permanently instead of just for the day. The pit boss is more likely to remember you later if you make a scene. It also gives time for surveillance to get a better picture of you.

Do not take your chips to the cage after getting backed off. Return at a later time during a different shift. This will make everybody less likely to recognize you. A cage image shot may be the best one casino surveillance can get of you. This makes it easier to track you later if you decide to return and try your luck again at this casino.

The most common action that gets a player backed off is because of bet spreads. This means that a bet is changed from one hand to another. For card counters, this is often in direct relation to the number of face cards and aces left in the deck. A bet spread of higher than one to four may start to draw attention. This means betting more than four times the original bet of the shoe or deck. A bet spread of one to 10 or higher will ask for quick trouble.

What Can Blackjack Players Do to Prevent a Back Off?

The best way to prevent a back off is to lower the bet spread to one to four or five. This may not be ideal because the big edge comes from larger bet spreads. Another option is to be more careful when the pit boss is watching. This is not fool proof as surveillance may be watching, although they are less likely to catch bet spreads, especially when smaller chips are used.

Not using a players card is a good idea. This will help prevent a permanent banning. The casino may not know your name if you do not present a card. Winning blackjack action is highly unlikely to trigger much in the way of offers so there is little to lose and everything to gain by playing anonymously.

Cover play is another way to prevent getting backed off. This is where a player knowingly gives action to low quality games in an attempt to show he is willing to play with a house edge. Examples may be giving a couple of hundred dollars in handle to a slot machine, playing some video poker at the bar or giving action to a table game that involves pure luck like craps and roulette.

Other Types of Back Offs

Some players may not get backed off but can suffer other consequences from being too sharp. Some players that use a rewards card at the tables may not receive any comps or credit for the action. This means no mailers with free play and no access to a host. Any comps earned can be revoked.

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Video poker players can also get backed off. That occurs when a player only gives action to high payback machines or only plays on promotion days. This can come in a few forms. The most common is where a player no longer qualifies for comps and mailers. This is called getting added to the “Do Not Invite” list. An extreme measure would be to kick the player out of the rewards program. Cover play can often be a good way to prevent a video poker back off.

How To Get My Money Back From Online Casino

Any player that thinks he has an advantage over the casino should never leave comps or points on a card. You never know when a casino will determine that you are undesirable and void all comps and points. A player does not have to be sharp for this to occur. It can happen when the player has done nothing but get lucky at games that require skill.